Recomendations...

[Sporkhead]

Well, this Is kind of just me.."planning ahead", But I'm wondering what you all would say is a decent AWD car (sedan, or coupe, dosen't matter) for under $9.5k...I've found 2002-2003 WRXs for about 8.9 and around 130,000 miles, but, i have a feeling they've been beat to hell...Evos are impossible to find in that price range...which brings me to my next question, where the hell could someone find an Evo V, out of all of them, that's my favorite EVO, but i can never find any for sale, not even on the vast internet! :(

but, a good AWD car, for under $9.5k, any recomendations are welcome!

[bballr4567]

Is there a reason that you need an AWD?? Most people say bad weather but that really only effects roads maybe 2-4% of total driving time. During the winter if you just get good winter tires you wont have to worry about that at all. Its much much cheaper then getting a whole new car when you really dont want it.

[Deggy Fresh]

AWD Launch > FWD/RWD Launch

If I was in the market for a quick AWD vehicle it would be a Subaru. I love the WRX, kind of a shame they went to a hatchback for 08, but what ya gonna do..they had to get away from the Evo vrs. WRX some how. Even though I'm sure their will be an Evo "wagon" available sometime soon too. But if and when i buy my next car it will be AWD and 5/6 speed. I love the look of 03-04 WRX and especially the 04 WRX Sti (1st year STi package was available in states). AWD cars are fun to play around in, and corner like a dream, at least the WRX and Evo MR I drove did.

but

bballr you are right, you wouldn't need AWD for weather conditions and such. But it does help with good tires also. I would love to have a 4WD or AWD car/truck for the winter season.

[bballr4567]

Yea a STI would be damn sweet but good luck finding one that hasnt been trashed by people. The stock front diff has been known to buckle under stock power just by doing some high RPM driving and medium level launches.

I dunno, Ill be living in TX where I will never have to worry about weather so yay for me.

[TA^Guy]

AWD Launch > FWD/RWD Launch
Well that all depends on your chassis and hp.
Most of the fastest Sy/Ty guys disconnect the front driveshafts and make their trucks RWD. Natural physics the load is transfered to the rear as the vehicle accelerates hard. There is far less downforce/traction on the front tires rendering them nearly inapt during a hard launch with sticky tires. Espcially if you are making some real power and have the chassis set up correctly.

So yes, if you are going to play boy racers red light put-put with the pimpled faced kid in the next lane, sure go for the AWD. Just keep in mind, once moving AWD does nothing but consumes about 10% more power than a FWD or RWD does.

[Sporkhead]

Well I want an AWD car for a few reasons, one being, donuts+AWD is the most fun a person could ever have in a wet/slushy empty parking lot IMO. 2, i live in the upstate new york, we get a ton of snow every winter, so AWD would be a plus in those conditions. plus, as far as i know, AWD vehicles are the best handling, which is good for me, cause i love going fast on twisty roads.

Weren't there AWD Dodge Stealths that had twin-turbos or something? I really want to stick with WRXs, and those type, and I'd still kill to find an Evo V, there still the best looking Evos yet if you ask me.

[Deggy Fresh]

Well that all depends on your chassis and hp.
Most of the fastest Sy/Ty guys disconnect the front driveshafts and make their trucks RWD. Natural physics the load is transfered to the rear as the vehicle accelerates hard. There is far less downforce/traction on the front tires rendering them nearly inapt during a hard launch with sticky tires. Espcially if you are making some real power and have the chassis set up correctly.

So yes, if you are going to play boy racers red light put-put with the pimpled faced kid in the next lane, sure go for the AWD. Just keep in mind, once moving AWD does nothing but consumes about 10% more power than a FWD or RWD does.

Indeed AWD does have lower top end than any FWD/RWD setup, but if you make enough power like the 9 sec AWD Eclipse in my area, will put enough length between your RWD/FWD counterpart and that 10% loss really won't have much affect...now if you are going stock WRX vrs Stock Camaro SS or something of that nature, thats a little different...im sure that would be a close race towards top end.

[bballr4567]

Stock WRX has nothing on a stock SS or TA. Just doesnt happen. Check out all the vids on streetfire proving it.

Personally I would only get an AWD car if I lived in one of the lake effect snow areas. I know that you can get totally dumped on and sometimes its much better to have AWD. That being sad youll still need snow tires.

FYI you can find some of the older talons and eagles and and get them pretty cheap but no matter what get ready to replace some parts as they go pretty easy.

Whats your budget?

[Deggy Fresh]

any DSM needs to be maintained with expensive parts

remember:
Cheap and Fast is never Reliable
Fast and Reliable is never Cheap
and
Cheap and Reliable is never Fast

[bballr4567]

And DSM expensive parts are REALLY expensive.

[Deggy Fresh]

thats why DSM guys usually go this route

Cheap and Fast is never Reliable

and then wonder why there shit breaks all the time.

if anything i would get the 6 bolt 4g63 motor over the 7 bolt..even tho crackwalk will rarely happen, but ive seen a few Eclipse/Talons that it happened to.

[Sporkhead]

Well, i mean...blah, lol getting confused now, just, I'm sure theres a bajillion and one aftermarket goodies for all the WRXs, i'm not worried about speed, i want handling. A car with decent speed, and excellent handling, then once i get more money, have even better handling, and great speed.

[RazorDX]

Look at some Legacy sedans. They can be pretty nice. The new ones are sex on wheels, but the older ones aren't the greatest. You can find plenty of Outbacks that are granny driven or college art student cars... the problem with those is that they can be poorly maintained.

Good luck in your search, but you can find a better "fun go fast" car for that price range if you expand your options to RWD cars.

[Sporkhead]

Well, there's only a few RWD cars i'm actually interested in...Well, actually, only a few, first being an early 90's Nissan 300ZX twin-turbo, i've found plents for under 9.5....i've found 2000 BMW 323i's for under 9.5....lol and Outbacks aren't really my thing, i don't really want a wagon or hatchback, sticking kinda towards Sedans/Coupes

[GregFarz78]

I guess you arent taking insurance into consideration, a 16 year old + WRX/Evo = insane insurance rates

[Matt95GT]

I guess you arent taking insurance into consideration, a 16 year old + WRX/Evo = insane insurance rates

x2. I got quoted for nearly $3K a year for a used Evo 8, and I was 25 at that time. I love Evo's, but I'm not paying triple the insurance to have one.

Also, I would stay far away from any performance AWD vehicles that are old/mileage enough to be under 10K.

[Nighthawk243]

x2. I got quoted for nearly $3K a year for a used Evo 8, and I was 25 at that time. I love Evo's, but I'm not paying triple the insurance to have one.

Also, I would stay far away from any performance AWD vehicles that are old/mileage enough to be under 10K.

Ah yes... With him being 16, a Chevrolet Cavalier would be murder, let alone the infamous Evo...

[Sporkhead]

Do the same i did with the GA, have it insured under my mothers name...57, never crashed a vehicle, barely any traffic violations. :)

[Nighthawk243]

Do the same i did with the GA, have it insured under my mothers name...57, never crashed a vehicle, barely any traffic violations. :)

Even if he went under his parents insurance (Assuming they are not high risk or business owners...), it would still cost over 200 a month for full coverage on an Evo. (I wouldn't insure an evo on Liability, they're too expensive... even used...)

[Deggy Fresh]

Wait til you're 25 to buy a "sports" car like an Evo/WRX type car.

your wallet will thank you.

[GregFarz78]

Doesnt matter if its in his parents name he still has to be listed as a secondary and it will still be expensive

[bballr4567]

Wait til you're 25 to buy a "sports" car like an Evo/WRX type car.

your wallet will thank you.
Or get married. LOL

My insurance when I was 17 with zero tickets and a 1992 Sunbird was almost 150 a month on my moms plan with only liability.

[Sporkhead]

On my GA i'm not even listed in it...well, till yesterday when our insurance agent called pissed off cause they finally figured out after almost a year that there was a young driver driving it....i'm sure the price is gonna sky-rocket..

[TA^Guy]

Indeed AWD does have lower top end than any FWD/RWD setup, but if you make enough power like the 9 sec AWD Eclipse in my area, will put enough length between your RWD/FWD counterpart and that 10% loss really won't have much affect...now if you are going stock WRX vrs Stock Camaro SS or something of that nature, thats a little different...im sure that would be a close race towards top end.
True but if that Eclipse was FWD and not AWD it would be even faster...

I used to know a guy who had a low 13 high 12 second FWD Eclipse and all his import buddies used to give him crap about it being FWD, especially the WRX kids. Too ba dmost of them had a hard time keeping up. lol
Look at some Legacy sedans. They can be pretty nice. The new ones are sex on wheels, but the older ones aren't the greatest.

I like the Legacy, well, liked. Recently purchased a new car and test drove the Legacy and was far from impressed. Yes it handled great. No, I didn't drive a turbo model or a 6 cylinder, it was just a simple 4 banger and it felt like I let off the gas when it hit second gear. However that wasn't the biggest turn off, it just felt stripped down inside. Materials and options lacked to some other vehicles in it's class, my Altima was about the same price and the interior is literally twice as nice if not nicer. Far from sex on wheels IMO.

[Ralph]

the main way for the insurance at least my insurance is have 2 cars one new and one old. My 2000 is under my step-father as a secondary vehical and my 94 is under me as a daily where my 2000 is really my daily. As long as your name is under the insurance your fine.

[bballr4567]

I dont know. Being 16 I think you should get an older car just to learn and teach yourself the in and outs of taking care of a car. Its the best way to learn IMHO.

Insurance is going to kill you regardless. Its still better to have it, then get in a wreck and not have it and get a ticket.

[Matt95GT]

I dont know. Being 16 I think you should get an older car just to learn and teach yourself the in and outs of taking care of a car. Its the best way to learn IMHO.

x2. Inexpensive used car / beater FTW.

Its still better to have it, then get in a wreck and not have it and get a ticket.

...or get sued into poverty.

[Deggy Fresh]

.Insurance is going to kill you regardless. Its still better to have it, then get in a wreck and not have it and get a ticket.


...or get sued into poverty.

QFT!

[Sporkhead]

lol the car IS insured...and i've had my Grand AM since I was 15..(parents let me drive it on backroads with them for a few months so I could get the hang of driving a manual car.)...So, i know how to take care of the vehicles, and incurance isn't really that big of a deal for me, like I said, put it under my parents name, aslong as they don't know that a young driver uses it, then the prices shouldn't be too bad at all...But, yes, i'm young, i probably DON'T know for sure...but, it's worked so far with my GA, i'd just hope it'd work with a newer car?

[bballr4567]

So you arent insured on your primary car?? That can burn you if you get in a wreck FYI.

[RazorDX]

You do realize that in the event of an accident you will NOT be covered?

What this means is that when your Ricky Bobby mentality gets you into a wreck, you are going to be ****ed (and not in a good way).

I'm going to go ahead and assume that regardless of the many voices of reason in this thread, you are still going to try it. I just hope you don't kill anyone in the process.

[Deggy Fresh]

"If you're not 1st, you're last."

[Nighthawk243]

lol the car IS insured...and i've had my Grand AM since I was 15..(parents let me drive it on backroads with them for a few months so I could get the hang of driving a manual car.)...So, i know how to take care of the vehicles, and incurance isn't really that big of a deal for me, like I said, put it under my parents name, aslong as they don't know that a young driver uses it, then the prices shouldn't be too bad at all...But, yes, i'm young, i probably DON'T know for sure...but, it's worked so far with my GA, i'd just hope it'd work with a newer car?

At least be put under recreational or non-primary driver on your GA. Most insurance companies usually have a conditional statement on policies that they will not cover a vehicle if the borrowing driver is under 25 unless the driver was listed on the insurance. Also, check into seeing if your insurer offers discounts for taking a driver's education course, or for having good grades.

[Sporkhead]

Well, Our insurance dosen't do the drivers ed. discount, for some reason, i have no clue why..all of the other insurance places locally do it, except for ours..and parents are to stubborn to switch over..


You do realize that in the event of an accident you will NOT be covered?

What this means is that when your Ricky Bobby mentality gets you into a wreck, you are going to be ****ed (and not in a good way).

I'm going to go ahead and assume that regardless of the many voices of reason in this thread, you are still going to try it. I just hope you don't kill anyone in the process.


Well...First off, "Ricky Bobby mentality"..I don't think i'm some streetracer, I know damn well I don't own, and will probably never own a racecar, I never once mentioned racing....The most dangerous things i'd honestly be doing are donuts in empty parking lots, and going fast on the highway or the windy roads around our area....i know that probably fits you're deffinition of a "Ricky Bobby mentality"...but if i get the car I want, as in pick it out myself, pay for it myself, the whole thing...i'm not going to drive it like a total retard alright... don't assume every 16 year old that wants a sporty car is trying to re-create The Fast and the Furious...

Secondly, I just had a long discussion with the 'rents about what you had told me about it not covering me in an accident, and they both said it covers who ever is driving the vehicle aslong as there in the immediate family of the primary driver listed...I don't know two things about insurance, and the whole thing, but I'd have to believe my parents....but, again, i'm not sure..

and 3rd (i type way to much.)...if I actually do get this car...I will probably get my own insurance, and me as the primary....the sad thing is, If i take the loan out for the car, banks gonna need me to get full coverage so they can make sure they get there money..


Damn, I wish they had a website where you can just get insurance estimates without having to give your SS and the whole 9 yards.

[bballr4567]

Two things, if you are not insured you are not insured. Doesnt matter if you are a household member but I know many states outlawed that a few years ago because of some issues with it. Id call the insurance company yourself and ask just to be sure. Also some insurance companies offer a good student discount. Id check that too. It might be best to shop around.

The second, good luck getting the loan and insurance on the car as a 16 y/o. Because you are a minor you need an adult to sign legal papers. Sorry.

[Sporkhead]

I never said I planned on getting it while I was 16...like I said in the original post, this was just planning ahead, and I wanted to get some good ideas so I could start researching cars ahead of time...and hopefully prices will have dropped by the time I can get the car.... I could also have my parents take the loan out, and pay them back for it every month..

and i will most deffinently call the insurance company in town tomorrow morning and find out for sure what's true and what's not.. my GA is now covered with me in it too since they found out i was driving it and not listed...so, my GA is safe lol.

[bballr4567]

Well I was just throwing that out there. The best thing you could do is get a CC in both yours and your parents name and just use it for maybe $50 a month. Itll build your credit and get you ready for when you buy the car.

[Sporkhead]

Well I was just throwing that out there. The best thing you could do is get a CC in both yours and your parents name and just use it for maybe $50 a month. Itll build your credit and get you ready for when you buy the car.


That's a good idea, thanks :D