60V6 Performance

[SappySE107]

I am not sure how many people on this site care about performance modifications to the 3100 or 3400 engines. Ive got lots of information to share but don't really wanna talk to myself on random topics if no one is gonna care:P

[Silver 4 door]

I would love to start building a 3.4 form a bear block, but I need to get my camaro done first. then I will have lots of quetions for ya. I do have one Idea though. Spring I'm making some headers for the GA. Question for you is do you do you think it would work if I had the 2 heads each have there own exhuast? Make each header then have like duel
2" pipes going to the back of the car. Just a idea I had today. Can wait to use my plasma cutter and pipe bender...lol

[SappySE107]

S&S makes headers, which would be the best route to go unless budget is no concern and power goals/powerband don't support their design. I can help with any design for exhaust with software, based on the engine build itself.

[Silver 4 door]

Its just that I'm still dumping lots of money in to my camaro this spring and summer. I thought since I can man. bend pipe now and can cut my own flanges I though about trying to make some headers. Not sure if a duel system would really work well, but it would be somewhat cool to see.

[SappySE107]

Franz did a duel back to the cat, and single from there on his cavalier. This is a gen 2 3.1 but it worked well for him. Going all the way back adds weight, and 2" collectors is kinda small for 1 5/8" primaries. You could use reducers but I think you would have better luck collecting them somewhere before or after the downpipe area. There are multiple lengths for primaries to give a tuning advantage, but you have to know what the rest of the motor setup is first. Mandrel bending would certainly be good:)

Do you have a thread on your camaro? I don't want to go off topic in this thread but would be interested to know what you have planned for the Z28.

[Silver 4 door]

no thread. I have some pix of it. Just didnt really want to talk all about my camaro on a GA forum.

[Silver 4 door]

pm'ed ya Ben

[speedemon77]

ok so i'm thinking about putting on some pacesetter headers and i was reading a thread where someone had put on some headers and they were talking about tuning the ecm is this something that should be done, and i'm in illinois any recomendations on where to take it or a ballpark average of cost.

[SappySE107]

I now sell S&S headers for the 99-05 grand ams. I have no idea how the pace setter headers look but I have only heard how bad they rust out within 2 years. I would look into that some more before you bought them.

As for tuning, it would be best to have it tuned so that you get the most power and fuel economy. Even a stock setup can benefit from a tune. mpracing.org does OBD2 tuning and are located in northern illinois. I am working with them for setting up a tuned computer for the parts I make and sell.

[speedemon77]

cool thanks for the advice i will probably go with the s&s ones as they seem to be the most popular do they come with all gaskets and do they have to be torqued to any specs??

[SappySE107]

They come with bolts and gaskets. I am not sure what the torque specs are but they should provide those as well.

[unseasoned]

I'm not sure about everyone else, but me and Ricky Bobby wanna go fast. I'd love to hear what I can do to my engine to get a bit more power and sometimes better mileage. I checked out your links, but am somewhat confused as to how much power we could get for our dollar. Have the parts been dyno tested? If you have tricks for squeezing power out without drastically accelerating engine wear I'd love to hear about it! Intakes are pretty easy to change and some of us still have intake gasket leaks anyway. If we could toss in a couple hundred for the ported upper/lower intakes what sort of improvement should we expect from a stock engine set up. Seems to me like most of the ppl here have easy bolt on type performance additions like air filters etc. I have added these before and the power gained with them is hardly noticeable.

[SappySE107]

I don't have dyno sheets for a whole lot yet, especially simple mods alone. I use flowbench results and simulate the engine in dynomation using those numbers and other specs from the motor. I flow with the intake manifolds on as well for these results, which are all speced by myself or with the help of a CAD expert when it comes to port area. When I have everything finished that I want to finish, the simulation results for everything I offer and the combinations they are best with will be on my site.

http://wot-tech.com/shop/images/Cam/60V6regrinds.htm

There is an example of what I have in mind.

As for mileage, velocity is key, and my parts are the flow per area out there. I offer different portings for different apps. Performance in NA is also best with velocity over flow. My ported manifolds are only opened up where needed and reshaped where it is of benefit when attached to either a stock head, my street heads, or street/strip heads. Only the boost/race 3400 heads require the larger porting to get all the flow possible.

Engine wear really isn't an issue if you keep stock compression and don't go too large on the cam. Timing chain is the biggest weak link when it comes to running high compression and/or lots of spring pressure with a more aggressive cam. If you want 200k miles, leave it stock. You can build a powerful motor with quality parts and it will still last, but lower power output puts less stress on parts.

[GILSGRANDAM00]

hey ben do u just sell the bolts and the gaskets for the s&s headers cause i bought some from this guy and did not come with it let me know

[Falcon]

Heres a question for you

About 5 weeks ago, my engine decided to quite when an unnoticed coolent leak got missed. I finally got my car back a week ago and now my air doesn't work anymore. He said a piece was missing, can a rock actually dislodge something off the compressor? Because thats what I was told a piece was missing???

OK I just called him back and asked for specifics so stop me if you heard this one

A reid valve is missing internally but he doesn't really know whats missing but a rock hit it and dislodged it? ummmmm something wrong with this statement?

[SappySE107]

I don't carry bolts/gaskets for the headers, sorry.

I am not familiar with the inside of an ac compressor but that doesn't make sense. Also, for your motor to quit due to lack of coolant means it seized up from overheating. That or there is code in the ECM to automatically shut off at a certain temp. Either way, that has nothing to do with the AC.

[Falcon]

What happened was it was a slow coolent leak, and the leak eventually gave way spilling alot of coolent in with the oil in the engine.

It happened pretty quickly. I remember when something similiar happened with the achieva, there was a leak under the dashboard and when it went there was a steam all over the window and a burning sound. But it was harder to tell in this case.

Shrugs like I said, something don't sound right with this guy and I feel uneasy about it, so I'm taking the car else where for a second opinion.