SE1 to SE2 Side Skirts....Maybe?

[Silversmok3]

Question. Has anyone ever noticed that the SE2 V6's have different side skirts than SE1's?

Heres pics to show :
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/3098000-3098999/3098074_48_full.jpg

See how mine is a straight flare line from the rear wheel to the front passenger door, then kicks down by the front?

Now look at this skirt ;(Credit Nick @ Cardomain)
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/2811000-2811999/2811484_80_full.jpg

Notice how it just accents the wheels, then just blends in in the middle similar to the GT lower trim?

Where can I get that trim piece/part besides a GM dealer?I think the second bottom trim would look nice with a lowered car. Esp. in white. :D

[Crazy83519]

certifit maybe or gmpartsdirect

[Crazy83519]

certifit or gmpartsdirect

[Jchiasson]

The second picture is the original design for the '99 + model GA's. Gm had to many complaints of paint damage in front of the rear tires so modified the item to better block debris and crap from front tires flying up and hitting that area.

[sunrunner_pei]

The second picture is the original design for the '99 + model GA's. Gm had to many complaints of paint damage in front of the rear tires so modified the item to better block debris and crap from front tires flying up and hitting that area.

Ditto.

There is no difference between SE, SE1 and SE2 trim, just to clarify. They changed the rocker panel design partway through the 1999 production year to address paint chip concerns. There is a TSB out on the issue, although I've long since lost my copy of it.

Kelly was successful in having the new-design rockers installed under warranty on his 1999, while I was not.

Here's what the old design resulted in with my early '99:

[Silversmok3]

Gotcha.Ill be keeping my protective side skirts then lol.

[loud2kse]

Wow. I never knew about the redesign in rocker panels.... Ya learn something new every day. Good find though!

[bballr4567]

Hmmm that is pretty interesting.

[Silversmok3]

Wow. I never knew about the redesign in rocker panels.... Ya learn something new every day. Good find though!

Tru dat. A guy has a stock white GA SE2 V6 who parks in the same neighborhood I do. I passed by his car wondering what about it bothered me so much (besides duct taping his drivers mirror). Then I looked down and was like "WTF? He's got different side skirts! Holy sh*t"

Since his car was an SE2, I assumed it was a difference of trim equipment, and not because of a defect in the original design.
I passed by his car this morning and noticed the paint defects, so I won't be changing to the original look lol.

I suppose its a dead giveaway to tell a '99 GA from an '00.

I accidentally discovered GA history ...go figure.

[sunrunner_pei]

I suppose its a dead giveaway to tell a '99 GA from an '00.

That it is, and even more specifically, an early '99. :)

[99GrandAMSE]

... yeah, the later 99s had the 'lipped' version but most had the 'non-lipped' style ... mine originally had them but I talked GM into changing them out before the warranty ran off being I didn't drive my car much and by the time I eventually seen problems due to the faulty design, I would have been over the warranty :) ... I much prefer the 'lipped' :yippee:

[mayhem_audio]

i fave a 01 2 door and have tones of paint chips i pulled the rock off and discover a rust hole i was mad

[mayhem_audio]

pic of rust and stone chips i never saw any rust until i removed the rocker cover
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a297/MAYHEM_AUDIO/rustandstonechips.jpg

[Tiger]

That is interesting, I have an early '99 SE2 though it has the 2.4L in it, original owner wanted the smaller motor...dang him, but so far I have no chips due to a chip guard that was installed factory, although I had a deer run into the passengers side and when they repainted it, they never chip guarded it, just paint. Already noticing a slight chip mark, but the car never see's gravel roads, even living in the country. All in all I still like my old rockers better than the lipped version, more stream line on a coupe.

[Tiger]

pic of rust and stone chips i never saw any rust until i removed the rocker cover


Thats some sick rust Mayhem, thankfully when they took my rocker off the passengers side, there was no rust, although the cars washed nearly everyother day.

[RickHigginsHtbr]

holy crap! I want to go take mine off and check, like right now.

[sunrunner_pei]

That is interesting, I have an early '99 SE2 though it has the 2.4L in it, original owner wanted the smaller motor...dang him, but so far I have no chips due to a chip guard that was installed factory, although I had a deer run into the passengers side and when they repainted it, they never chip guarded it, just paint. Already noticing a slight chip mark, but the car never see's gravel roads, even living in the country. All in all I still like my old rockers better than the lipped version, more stream line on a coupe.

You can't have an SE2 with the 2.4L, as the SE2 package included the 3400 V6. You may, however, have an SE1. Not that it matters though, as the SE1 and SE2 were simply option packages.

[Tiger]

A while back I had found a spec site for the GA's and an SE2 was listed standard with the V6 but optional I-4 2.4L. There were listed only a few SE2's that were produced with the 2.4L.

http://www.carsdirect.com/research/specs?cat=4&make=PO&modelid=201&acode=USA90POC041A0&year=1999

[sunrunner_pei]

A while back I had found a spec site for the GA's and an SE2 was listed standard with the V6 but optional I-4 2.4L. There were listed only a few SE2's that were produced with the 2.4L.

http://www.carsdirect.com/research/specs?cat=4&make=PO&modelid=201&acode=USA90POC041A0&year=1999

That information is incorrect. There are many glaring mistakes all over that page.

[Tiger]

Well then, can anyone tell me what truelly defines a SE2 trim package, since I have every option excluding a sunroof, when all most all GA's I see do not have the audio controls on the steering wheel, and only have 15" rims were as I have 16's all factory.

[bballr4567]

You have an SE1 if you have the 2.4. The SE2 HAD to have the 3400.

You can go down to the dealer and ask for a dealer order sheet. That will show you what options you had.

Or you can find an RPO decoder and type in all your RPO codes that are on your driver side door to find what options you had.

[sunrunner_pei]

Well then, can anyone tell me what truelly defines a SE2 trim package, since I have every option excluding a sunroof, when all most all GA's I see do not have the audio controls on the steering wheel, and only have 15" rims were as I have 16's all factory.

Sounds like a loaded-up SE1 to me. :) But does it really matter? It's still the same car, regardless of the option package. :)

[Silversmok3]

Well then, can anyone tell me what truelly defines a SE2 trim package, since I have every option excluding a sunroof, when all most all GA's I see do not have the audio controls on the steering wheel, and only have 15" rims were as I have 16's all factory.

An SE2 has hollow headrests ,3400 V6 only.
Put a different way,2.4 SE2s dont exist.

You just cant judge a GA's trim by its looks.Besides,you really have the better motor mod wise.

[Tiger]

An SE2 has hollow headrests ,3400 V6 only.
Put a different way,2.4 SE2s dont exist.

You just cant judge a GA's trim by its looks.Besides,you really have the better motor mod wise.

Wait a minute... my GA SE has hollow headrests, 6 performance speakers, 6 way adjustable drivers seat, audio controls on the steering wheel, 16" rims (factory), and a few other options... these options I don't ever see on other SE's let alone GT's, so I'm just kinda confused now, cause a lot of people tell me that SE2's or only GT's have these options but mine seems to have a combination of all, with just a I-4 2.4L. I do know for sure that it is an early
'99 due to rocker panel.

[RickHigginsHtbr]

Wait a minute... my GA SE has hollow headrests, 6 performance speakers, 6 way adjustable drivers seat, audio controls on the steering wheel, 16" rims (factory), and a few other options... these options I don't ever see on other SE's let alone GT's, so I'm just kinda confused now, cause a lot of people tell me that SE2's or only GT's have these options but mine seems to have a combination of all, with just a I-4 2.4L. I do know for sure that it is an early
'99 due to rocker panel.

are you the original owner? I know I've sold those parts in the past, someone easily could have swapped them in.

[Tiger]

I'm the second owner, although the previous owner was an older fellow that just used the car as a sunday driver, never saw snow till I got it about 2 1/2 years ago, bought it with 4200 miles on it for $5200, guy just didn't know what he was selling, but its my baby.

[bballr4567]

USE THIS TO DETERMINE WHAT OPTIONS IT HAS!!!!

http://cadillacfaq.com/rpo/index.php

All you have to do is get all your RPO codes from your driver side front door and enter them in. It will tell you what package the car has and what options were ordered on it.

[Blackhawk]

Didn't you argue with us before on the engine and trim package cept it was relating to badges?

[Tiger]

Argue...no, curious as to why my badging was different on my trunk yes, but even then I never got an answer.

[sunrunner_pei]

Argue...no, curious as to why my badging was different on my trunk yes, but even then I never got an answer.

:banghead:

You got many probable answers, you just refused to acknowledge them. *sigh*

[Tiger]

:banghead:

You got many probable answers, you just refused to acknowledge them. *sigh*

Well, I went and ran all my Rpo's and here they are.....

RPO Code Explanation/Description
AAA STANDARD FOR ABOVE VEHICLES
AH3 DJUSTER FRT ST MANUAL, 4 WAY, DRIVER
AK5 ESTRAINT SYSTEM SEAT, INFLATABLE, DRIVER & PASS
AM9 SPLIT BACK, FOLDING
AP9 VENIENCE
AS5 EAT FRT BKT, DELUXE,
AU0 OCK CONTROL, ENTRY REMOTE ENTRY
A31 POWER OPERATED, ALL DOORS
B20 NTATION INTR, LUXURY
C60 HVAC SYSTEM AIR CONDITIONER FRT, MAN CONTROLS
DC4 MIRROR I/S R/V TILT, DUAL READING LAMPS
DG7 MIRROR O/S LH & RH, REMOTE CONTROL, ELECTRIC, COLOR
DL5 ROADSIDE SERVICE INFORMATION
FE2 SUSPENSION SYSTEM RIDE, HANDLING
FE9 CERTIFICATION EMISSION, FEDERAL
FW6 RATIO TRANSAXLE FINAL DRIVE 3.42
IJC TRIM INTERIOR DESIGN (JC) (95)
JA7 E PARK BRK RELEASE, LEATHER
JM4 BRAKE SYSTEM PWR, FRT DISC, RR DRUM, CAST IRON, ANTILOCK, FRT &RR WHL
K34 E CONTROL AUTOMATIC, ELECTRONIC
K61 GENERATOR 105 AMP, DUAL INTERNAL FAN, ENHANCED IDLE OUTPUT
LAB PLANT CODE LANSING, MI, USA (BODY ASM M-LINE)
LD9 ENGINE GAS, 4 CYL, 2.4L, MFI, DOHC
MN4 TRANSMISSION AUTO 4 SPD, HMD, 4T40-E
MX0 MERCHANDISED TRANS AUTO PROVISIONS, O/D
NF2 EMISSION SYSTEM FEDERAL, TIER 1
NP5 STEERING WHEEL LEATHER WRAPPED
PY0 WHEEL 16 X 6.5, ALUMINUM
QQK TIRE ALL P225/50R16-99S BW R/PE ST TL AL2
RC9 No Match
R6J OL SALES ITEM NO. 10
R7V OL SALES ITEM NO. 46
T43 SPOILER RR
UH8 CLUSTER INST, COOL TEMP, TRIP ODOM, TACH
UK3 OL STEERING WHEEL, ACCESSORY
UP3 RADIO AM/FM STEREO, SEEK/SCAN, CD, CLOCK, EQLZR, ETR
UQ3 SPEAKER SYSTEM PERFORMANCE ENHANCED AUDIO
US6 ANTENNA FIXED, PAINTED, RADIO
VH9 OPE OWNER INFO MAN
VM3 LABEL INFORMATION CONSUMER, CONTAINS BPR IMP STANDARD FOR FRT 5 MPH & RR 5 MPH
VY7 KNOB TRANS CONT LEVER, LEATHER
V73 VEHICLE STATEMENT USA/CANADA
Y72 PKG HEADLINER
ZV1 MENT OF ORIGIN MANUFACTURE


1SC PACKAGE OPTION 03

1SZ UNT OPTION PACKAGE
14C TRIM COMBINATION CLOTH, VERY DK GRAY (C) (97)
14C TRIM COMBINATION CLOTH, LT GRAY (C) (96)
14C TRIM COMBINATION CLOTH, GRAY (C)
14C TRIM COMBINATION CLOTH, HUSKY GRAY (C) (FRONTERA 98)
14I INTERIOR TRIM LT GRAY (I)
14I INTERIOR TRIM VERY DK GRAY (I) (97)
14I INTERIOR TRIM GRAY
14I INTERIOR TRIM HUSKY GRAY (I) (FRONTERA 98)
14I INTERIOR TRIM DK GRAY (I) (01)
6DB COMPONENT FRT LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (6DB)
7DB COMPONENT FRT RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (7DB)
8BW COMPONENT RR LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (8BW)
81Q MOLDING COLOR BRIGHT RED (91)
81U PRIMARY COLOR EXTERIOR, BRIGHT RED 2, (02), HOLDEN
81U PRIMARY COLOR EXTERIOR, BRIGHT RED (02)
81U PRIMARY COLOR EXTERIOR, NEW BRIGHT RED (02)
9BU COMPONENT RR RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (9BU)

Well there you have it all, make what you want of it, but theres all my RPO's.

[99GrandAMSE]

Well, couple things that I am confused about ...

#1 ~ What the heck is the 3.42 ratio?? AFAIK, SEs are 3.05 but that could be just the V6 :shrug:

#2 ~ the 1SC Package includes the V6 so if your car has the 1SC, it should have the V6 ... again :shrug: :lol:

You have a weird car bud :roflmfao:

[Silversmok3]

Well, couple things that I am confused about ...

#1 ~ What the heck is the 3.42 ratio?? AFAIK, SEs are 3.05 but that could be just the V6 :shrug:

#2 ~ the 1SC Package includes the V6 so if your car has the 1SC, it should have the V6 ... again :shrug: :lol:

You have a weird car bud :roflmfao:
To add:
isnt the final drive limited to the GT, which has a differemt trans(-45E)?
Seems like the factory line manager did an oppsie and put the wrong motor in lol.

[RickHigginsHtbr]

I'm curious as to which trans may be in there lol.

[Tiger]

Well fellas, I freakin confused myself...lol...everything I find says SE2, and yes I know you all say it should have a 3400 V6, but it does not, I ran the vin today at work and it is calling for the I-4 2.4L which is in it, also I got a car fax report... just for the hell of it to garuantee everything... Carfax has it listed as an SE2, friend asked what was written on the title, just says SE, doesnt have a trim package break down. So do I just have one of those one of a kind mistakes made at the factory and should have the V6 or maybe theres more that I don't know about the car.... 1st gen '99 made....LOL...nah, but who knows.

Like I said I'm confused now, but most info found lists as SE2.

[Silversmok3]

Either one of two things has happened:

One,an SE2 GA was OEM fitted with the wrong engine.

Two:Tigers GA was a spec SE1 ordered/equipped as an SE2 and is a victim of a paperwork glitch by GM.

Barring additional info,Im leaning toward option 2,as how can an SE trans have a GT final drive?
And was a -45E trans installed OEM with a 2.4?

[Tiger]

Either one of two things has happened:

One,an SE2 GA was OEM fitted with the wrong engine.

Two:Tigers GA was a spec SE1 ordered/equipped as an SE2 and is a victim of a paperwork glitch by GM.

Barring additional info,Im leaning toward option 2,as how can an SE trans have a GT final drive?
And was a -45E trans installed OEM with a 2.4?

Got me! but what is the difference in a -45E trans, not sure what would be listed for a SE compared to a GT. Could it have been a SE2 special order? I contacted the previous owner today and asked if he had any accidents or if he had modded the car any. He stated that there had been no changes on the car, it was all original till I started modding it, no engine mod, and I also asked him about the trunk, being that my grand am badge is above my key hole and he said that it had always been that way, so from the factory it was placed above the key hole. That much I know for sure, just another odd thing about the car, since all grand ams I've seen so far have the badge below the keyhole.

[Blackhawk]

Friday afternoon car at GM?

[99GrandAMSE]

HAHAHA ... you sure it is a Grand Am?? :roflmfao:

[Silversmok3]

Got me! but what is the difference in a -45E trans, not sure what would be listed for a SE compared to a GT. Could it have been a SE2 special order? I contacted the previous owner today and asked if he had any accidents or if he had modded the car any. He stated that there had been no changes on the car, it was all original till I started modding it, no engine mod, and I also asked him about the trunk, being that my grand am badge is above my key hole and he said that it had always been that way, so from the factory it was placed above the key hole. That much I know for sure, just another odd thing about the car, since all grand ams I've seen so far have the badge below the keyhole.

OK,after running my own RPO codes heres what I have discovered:

MN4 is the code for the 4T40 trans.And mine includes this lovely goodie.

FW6 RATIO TRANSAXLE FINAL DRIVE 3.42

That solves mystery number 1.
To determine whether your car is an se1/2 based on the RPO, check if you have this code:

W46 MODEL CONVERSION PONTIAC GRAND AM SE1
Heres a link to my full RPO list if curious:
http://cadillacfaq.com/rpo/rpo4.php?rpo=AAA%2CAH3%2CAK5%2CAM9%2CAR9%2CA31%2CB Q0%2CC60%2CDG7%2CDL5%2CDT4%2CFE2%2CFLT%2CFW6%2CIPB %2CJM4%2CK34%2CK61%2CLAA%2CLD9%2CMN4%2CMX0%2CNC1%2 CNC7%2CNG1%2CNK5%2CN40%2CPF7%2CQCB%2CRC8%2CR6l%2CR 6U%2CUH8%2CUP3%2CUQ2%2CUS6%2CVH9%2CVK4%2CVM3%2CVN9 %2CV73%2CW46%2CY70%2C1SA%2C14B%2C14I%2C16I%2C16U%2 C6DB%2C7DB%2C8BW%2C9BW%2C14B&submit=SUBMIT

[Tiger]

OK,after running my own RPO codes heres what I have discovered:

MN4 is the code for the 4T40 trans.And mine includes this lovely goodie.

FW6 RATIO TRANSAXLE FINAL DRIVE 3.42

That solves mystery number 1.
To determine whether your car is an se1/2 based on the RPO, check if you have this code:

W46 MODEL CONVERSION PONTIAC GRAND AM SE1
Heres a link to my full RPO list if curious:
http://cadillacfaq.com/rpo/rpo4.php?rpo=AAA%2CAH3%2CAK5%2CAM9%2CAR9%2CA31%2CB Q0%2CC60%2CDG7%2CDL5%2CDT4%2CFE2%2CFLT%2CFW6%2CIPB %2CJM4%2CK34%2CK61%2CLAA%2CLD9%2CMN4%2CMX0%2CNC1%2 CNC7%2CNG1%2CNK5%2CN40%2CPF7%2CQCB%2CRC8%2CR6l%2CR 6U%2CUH8%2CUP3%2CUQ2%2CUS6%2CVH9%2CVK4%2CVM3%2CVN9 %2CV73%2CW46%2CY70%2C1SA%2C14B%2C14I%2C16I%2C16U%2 C6DB%2C7DB%2C8BW%2C9BW%2C14B&submit=SUBMIT

All my RPO's are listed in order above, non of which lists a W46... :???: