GT-R bitchslapped out of the 'Ring by the ZR-1

[Wallflower]

3 seconds quicker (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/27/gauntlet-thrown-corvette-zr1-laps-the-ring-in-7-26-4/)

[ssracer]

Sweet

[VanishingImage]

good to hear some American muscle is kicking some foriegn @ss:D:cool:

[Nighthawk243]

Well... Bobby Lutz did well with the ZR-1. Its all of the car it should be.

[GregFarz78]

until nissan comes back with the gtr v-spec :)

[[ChaosweaveR]]

until nissan comes back with the gtr v-spec :)

Then GM will just make a better Vette.

[GregFarz78]

nothing better than competition though I'd take either of those cars lol

[Pinnacle]

;1200582']Then GM will just make a better Vette.

No, do what Nissan did with the V Spec give it to someone to mod it, such as Lingenfelter let them take it up 800hp and a new suspension then race both at the ring.

Call the vette a ZR-1 SS.

[Silversmok3]

Call the vette a ZR-1 SS.


Wrong. Call it the Vette B-ADASS (Beta-AeroDynAmic Speed System ) :D

[TA^Guy]

nothing better than competition though I'd take either of those cars lol
I agree.

And as you know how much I love my new Nissan, I also had no doubt in my mind that the ZR1 would kick the GTRs but on a real track.

[TA^Guy]

No, do what Nissan did with the V Spec give it to someone to mod it, such as Lingenfelter let them take it up 800hp and a new suspension then race both at the ring.

Call the vette a ZR-1 SS.
Um you're missing the point... Nissan's didnt have a tuner build the GTR, so why would you hand over the ZR1 to LPE? It's bragging rights to what production car is faster/better, not what tuner build a better car.

BTW, ZR-1 SS? "Wat?"

First off there is no such thing as a Corvette SS, never has and hopefully never will. The "ZR-1" is the premire race package, it's the best of the best, it doesn't get better, period. Any "SS" package would rank below a ZR-1 package. "SS" as in "Super Sport" or "Super Street" is just that, 'Sport' or 'Street'. As the ZR-1 doesn't have an actual acronym to make it cool it doesn't have a specific meaning... The RPO option code for one of the baddest factory racing packages of all time.

[Pinnacle]

Um you're missing the point... Nissan's didnt have a tuner build the GTR, so why would you hand over the ZR1 to LPE? It's bragging rights to what production car is faster/better, not what tuner build a better car.

BTW, ZR-1 SS? "Wat?"

First off there is no such thing as a Corvette SS, never has and hopefully never will. The "ZR-1" is the premire race package, it's the best of the best, it doesn't get better, period. Any "SS" package would rank below a ZR-1 package. "SS" as in "Super Sport" or "Super Street" is just that, 'Sport' or 'Street'. As the ZR-1 doesn't have an actual acronym to make it cool it doesn't have a specific meaning... The RPO option code for one of the baddest factory racing packages of all time.

No, you missed the point. The Spec V wasnt tuned by Nissan and the carbon body parts were NOT built by them either.

I was just making a "what if" statment, if it was tunned by Ling we could give it a name the Z-R1 SS corvette.
The Nissan GT-R Spev V vs. The Corvette Z-R1 SS
both tuned

[Silversmok3]

Pinnacle what John was referring to is that the ZR1 and SS trim names are distinct identities.Its like making a Grand Am SCT-SE.The combo just doesnt work.

[ssracer]

I get what you all are trying to say, but it's not like you have never been able to get different option packages before. Look at the Camaro, in the first and second gens at least you could get SS/RS or Z-28/RS. Granted, RS wasn't much more than just some styling changes (hidden headlights, split bumper, etc), but you get the idea.

Edit:
OK, I'll burst my own bubble. After thinking for a quick second (that's about the best I can do these days...lol) a ZR1/SS would be the same idea as a Z-28/SS which you could not do (as far as I know), so my entire point above is worthless.

Move along...nothing to see here.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Hooboy. I posted a link to this on the LIT site. Let's just say that the Nissan fanboys didn't take too lightly to this. :lol:

[Pinnacle]

I get what you all are trying to say, but it's not like you have never been able to get different option packages before. Look at the Camaro, in the first and second gens at least you could get SS/RS or Z-28/RS. Granted, RS wasn't much more than just some styling changes (hidden headlights, split bumper, etc), but you get the idea.

Edit:
OK, I'll burst my own bubble. After thinking for a quick second (that's about the best I can do these days...lol) a ZR1/SS would be the same idea as a Z-28/SS which you could not do (as far as I know), so my entire point above is worthless.

Move along...nothing to see here.

Damnit, I almost had you on my side! :lol:

Oh just havin some fun

[RazorDX]

Keep in mind how skeptical people are about the transmission in the GT-R. How much more power can you get out of it without nuking the trans? You can be assured that you can buy a ZR-1 and then spend a little extra to add horsepower without worrying about reliability.

[matts]

Keep in mind how skeptical people are about the transmission in the GT-R. How much more power can you get out of it without nuking the trans? You can be assured that you can buy a ZR-1 and then spend a little extra to add horsepower without worrying about reliability.


not worry? everything has a breaking point....even it's a very high point :D


but don't i remember seeing a video where the GTR test driver said something about it not being good to launch the car in "performance" mode or something?? WTF?? i ain't gonna buy a sports car i can't drive like i stole :lol:

[Wallflower]

3 seconds quicker (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/27/gauntlet-thrown-corvette-zr1-laps-the-ring-in-7-26-4/)

VIDEO RELEASED ... http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-releases-in-car-video-of-zr1s-blistering-nurburgring-lap.html

[bballr4567]

If you havent seen the video you HAVE to watch it if you are a car nut. Its unreal. The speed is just amazing.

[mikekanzler]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/

and the gtr fights back

[matts]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/

and the gtr fights back


:roll2: miraculously a second quicker than the ZR1....and 13 seconds quicker than the reg. GTR??? :roll2:

GM one upped them by showing proof. if you wanna roll with the big boys you're gonna have to put up or shut up NISSAN :D

[bballr4567]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/

and the gtr fights back

Apr 8th. Has there been ANY proof other then track bystanders since then?

[Wallflower]

We are leaving out the fact that this is an AWD car, the Vette is doing this on rears only. Disconnect the front end of the GTR and see what it does. Also, the Vette did their run on stock tires, while the GTR was run on damn near slicks. We are not comparing apple to apple cars here people.

Besides ... the GTR is butt-ass fugly so it is an epic FAIL when compared to the Vette anyway. I would rather drive a Yugo with a blown head gasket than the GTR.

[Silversmok3]

Forget the 'Ring. The real battle will be settled on some random street on some random Youtube video. The we'll see what the faster car really is.

This whole 'ring thing is like bench racing...in real life.

[hoobasta4]

WOW!
now imagine that with paddle shifters... I can guarentee that the time would be even quicker. How many times is the guy trying to make a corner and having to shift with one hand, and turn the wheel with the other. Paddle shifters would make the car unbelievably quicker overall!

Hooby

[ssracer]

I think I just messed my pants a little watching that Corvette video

[matts]

WOW!
now imagine that with paddle shifters... I can guarentee that the time would be even quicker. How many times is the guy trying to make a corner and having to shift with one hand, and turn the wheel with the other. Paddle shifters would make the car unbelievably quicker overall!

Hooby

:lol: don't you normally shift with one hand and drive with the other? i do

[hoobasta4]

:lol: don't you normally shift with one hand and drive with the other? i do

Well of course you do, I'm not stupid.
But driving THAT fast around a timed course... it would make sense to have both hands on the wheel and just clicking a "paddle shifter"... thus keeping both hands on the wheel for more control, especially during turns.

A lot of the reasoning behind some other "super cars".. longer time having both hands on the wheels creates much better handling and control.

How many times was he shifting and trying to make a tight turn, only to almost lose control trying to turn with only one hand on the wheel. Now imagine if he kept both hands on the wheel, and simply clicked a paddle shifter.

I'm all for the "old school" short throw shifter, but in the supercar ring, paddle shifters seem to be much quicker.

Hooby

[ssracer]

Well of course you do, I'm not stupid.
But driving THAT fast around a timed course... it would make sense to have both hands on the wheel and just clicking a "paddle shifter"... thus keeping both hands on the wheel for more control, especially during turns.

A lot of the reasoning behind some other "super cars".. longer time having both hands on the wheels creates much better handling and control.

How many times was he shifting and trying to make a tight turn, only to almost lose control trying to turn with only one hand on the wheel. Now imagine if he kept both hands on the wheel, and simply clicked a paddle shifter.

I'm all for the "old school" short throw shifter, but in the supercar ring, paddle shifters seem to be much quicker.

Hooby

Should have just made it an automatic...:poke:

[TA^Guy]

But driving THAT fast around a timed course... it would make sense to have both hands on the wheel and just clicking a "paddle shifter"... thus keeping both hands on the wheel for more control, especially during turns.

A lot of the reasoning behind some other "super cars".. longer time having both hands on the wheels creates much better handling and control.
Well, all depends on the vehicle you are driving.

If it's not a well balanced vehicle you may need both hands, however both hands also tend to counter each other and can lead to more twitchy back and forth motion. In old cars there was such slower steering ratios and sloppier steering boxes you didnt notice small back and forth inputs. But in cars today with such touchy steering you'll notice it a great deal more.

It's like taking a digital photo. They say to use one hand instead of two to reduce the chance of blurred photos.

Any honestly skilled driver can do with one hand the same he could with two.

[Silversmok3]

The faster you go the less steering input you need.Compare effort of a drive at 75 vs parallel parking.

[hoobasta4]

understandable, but you guys are all missing my point.... completely.....

It was a suggestion that got shot down. Sorry for posting my input. I wonder why most if not all new Ferrari's, Lamborgini's, etc are strictly paddle shifters. Like I said. I'm ALL for the standard short throw shifter.. I love it, but in this instance, to make it completely effortless, regardless of the driver, paddle shifters would make shifting quicker, etc. and cut even a few more seconds off the time. I should have said, with the paddles there would be more with both hands free and less to "think about" while shifting.

I'll stop commenting now. And I don't need to have bad remarks sent my way anymore..

[TA^Guy]

Because Ferrari and Lamborgini's are exotics, and designed to be over the top instead of solely designing for function alone.

[bballr4567]

Well considering that the paddle shifted automatics usually run a good 2-3k for the upper level ones and even up to 6k in some of the higher exotics.

Sure itll be faster but the new 6 speed from GM is simply amazing. :D

There is also this thing for me about driving a car and not letting it drive me. I have had 4 automatic cars and although fun for what they were nothing can beat rowing my own gears. :woot:

[Silversmok3]

Because Ferrari and Lamborgini's are exotics, and designed to be over the top instead of solely designing for function alone.

They use paddle shift because :
A) It imitates F1 race cars.
B) Primarily it saves Ferrari the hassle of teaching a multimillonare customer how to drive his own car.

[Nighthawk243]

They use paddle shift because :
A) It imitates F1 race cars.
B) Primarily it saves Ferrari the hassle of teaching a multimillonare customer how to drive his own car.

Yep. Its more of a marketing thing. Alot of customers think that Paddle shifters must be some peformance feature since F1 cars have it.

But the reason why Formula 1 uses them is that they have no cockpit room for a standard shifter. Hell... they barely have room for the driver...

In the civilian world, it gives the customer the ability to select gears at will, but without the hassle of having to learn to use a clutch.

[TA^Guy]

Exactally.

[thegrimone]

GM left a few RPM and HP to spare I think. If you watch the video you can see the driver throwing his hands up in disgust, as if to say "the car could do better here if I had a few more RPM"


Some one wanted to see a street video, this one shows the plain C6 wooping up on a GTR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjmyt52-c8c

[MmSadda]

I saw a video on rx7club.com a while back, of the footage from the ZR1 and the GT-R each running, synced up to show their laps at the same time for the start.... ya know, I NEVER woulda expected it.... but the ZR1 is FAR better around the track. If we're referring to the trials that I think we are, the GT-R also had a professional driver, whereas the ZR1 was driven by an experienced non-professional.

Now, honestly, I would take an R34 GTR over a C5 Z06.... but man. Nissan lost this war. The C6 is just a work of vehicular art.

[spy]

someone making a comment about damn near slicks on the GTR.

here's news for you buddy. They're street tires, highly sticky yes. But still they are street tires. A drive is a driver is a driver. You can't just sit a racecar driver into the car and tell them to make the lap times drop, especially at the Ring. I'm positive both Nissan and GM camps had the best driver most capable to run the cars in the 'Ring.

And someone making a comment about making the GTR rear wheel drive. Come on now. how childish can you get? The car was engineered to be AWD. The way the layout of the car, the engine. the transmission, the tuning was all meant to take advantage of an AWD setup, not RWD.

All of you people ever so happy to trash talk the GTR are mindless Domestic humpers anyway.

If I had it my way, I would have both cars in my garage and I'd flip a coin everyday to find out which one I'll be found driving in.

however if I really had it my way, I'd have an R34 Z-tune at my disposal along with a CTS-V setup of for roadrace duty with a full interior and A/C with the exterior all raced out.

[MmSadda]

Man, I'm not trashing the GTR for being a couple seconds slower; it's still a hell of a car.... Even so, it certainly makes the Z06 more appealing.

p.s. for as much as I like what I hear about the Z06, and screw-type superchargers are the best, I fully believe the Corvette is a great candidate for turbocharging, rather than supercharging.

[spy]

Man, I'm not trashing the GTR for being a couple seconds slower; it's still a hell of a car.... Even so, it certainly makes the Z06 more appealing.

p.s. for as much as I like what I hear about the Z06, and screw-type superchargers are the best, I fully believe the Corvette is a great candidate for turbocharging, rather than supercharging.

Too bad the car in reference isn't even close to being a Z06. As a Z06 is getting left in the dust of a ZR1 and GTR

[Silversmok3]

Spy said it right:ill take both in black,order to go please.And a side of SL65 v12 .

[thegrimone]

I hear ya Spy on that CTS-V. I would so rock one of those but, sleeper it by putting the plain CTS outside.

[TA^Guy]

Shoot I just bought a brand new Nissan over anything GM had to offer me and I'd still buy the ZR1 before the GTR. lol

[spy]

I hear ya Spy on that CTS-V. I would so rock one of those but, sleeper it by putting the plain CTS outside.

http://autodrum.com/img/media/wallpapers/cadillac_cts_v_race_car_2004_01.jpg

secks

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cadillacctsvring3.jpg

SEEECKS!

[Silversmok3]

http://autodrum.com/img/media/wallpapers/cadillac_cts_v_race_car_2004_01.jpg

secks

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cadillacctsvring3.jpg

SEEECKS!


Not that its directly relevant, but I wonder what a Twin Cam/Quad modded GA like spy's would do on the 'Ring in lap times.

Anyone wanna volunteer for the airfare and shipping to Germany?:lol:

[spy]

Not that its directly relevant, but I wonder what a Twin Cam/Quad modded GA like spy's would do on the 'Ring in lap times.

Anyone wanna volunteer for the airfare and shipping to Germany?:lol:

I'll do it, but dont expect nothing fancy timewise out there.

I'll also throw in a request for some heavy duty rollers on all four corners, big arse brakes, camber plates, and all the rubbery suspension bits replaced w/ poly, and some rear suspension bits a bit more beefed up.

I have a sick feeling I'd do better around the 'ring in my truck.

Then again I may do sick awesome for a ....................grand am. heh.