I am pissed of know

[prescill]

:( Got in the car this morning and when i started it the low coolant light came on. Lift the hood to find coolant leaking out the side of the engine block. Find out when I take it to the garage that the intake monifold gasket is leaking. plus the wheel bearing is gone also. I got the wheel bearing fixed at a cost of 513.00. The part was 400.00 plus tax and was the rigt side this time instad of the left one which has been replaced 3 times in the last 8 months. What pisses me really of is the intake was done by Macphee pontiac in dartmouth in March of 2001 at 64000 km and here i am in July of 2003 with onther leaking intake gasket that is going to cost over 600.00 + to fix. I called custermer service and they basically just laughed in my face. This piece of junk pontiac has cost me close to 8000.00 since I bought it in 2000. This knew of a car should NOT be breaking down like this.:???:

[prescill]

As of right know we are looking for a new vehicle and we were thing of buying the new chev avalanche but because its a GM we might go for a honda ot toyota since they are more reliable than a gm product.

[crazeyGT]

Originally posted by prescill
As of right know we are looking for a new vehicle and we were thing of buying the new chev avalanche but because its a GM we might go for a honda ot toyota since they are more reliablethan a gm product.

Thats sucks about Your car, but I know "kinda" how u feel.. I been in garage with my car almost every month, and if she keeps doing this to me, I am getting rid of mine right before the extended warranty runs out...

And the same thing, I dont think I will go with domestic either.. I love how they look, but... they break too soon...

But I still love my car, and feel bad if I will have to let her go..


Goood Luck on your Journey :)

[mom2mac]

:hug: my 92 went through 3 head gasket replacements and 2 entire 'heads' in a matter of 18 months. so I feel your pain. Hope you get so help w/ the cost of the fix though :(

[99capergrandam]

Perhaps if you send McPhee Pontiac in Dartmouth an email with a link to this forum they may have a change of heart. I would also Copy GM on the email. ;) Most companies don't like negative publicity.

[BBT]

I think he is SOL. The warranty is up. GM's take is probably one of 'tough luck'.

[Jordon'sGrandAm]

Sucks about your car. but going the dark and ricer path is bad don't give in to the ricey path.

[prescill]

i HAVE HAD IT with gm's vehicles which are mostly junk after you reach 100000km. At least imports last 5 times as long,except for the body of the car.

[Ghostgt]

I would suggest that you buy an 04' Gtp the one with the 3800 supercharger! They are both a fast and very reliable engine.

[92CamaroRS]

yes stick with a gm that has a 3800 engine or a 350 both are uber reliable and plenty of parts for it.

[Themeneea]

i HAVE HAD IT with gm's vehicles which are mostly junk after you reach 100000km. At least imports last 5 times as long,except for the body of the car

not true, my cavi runs great at 240,000 KMS

[92CamaroRS]

yea and also talk to Brad97GS his 3800S/C Regal has well over 200k miles.

[mtnagel]

Originally posted by prescill
As of right know we are looking for a new vehicle and we were thing of buying the new chev avalanche but because its a GM we might go for a honda ot toyota since they are more reliable than a gm product.
I just had mine done about a month and a half ago and I'm already thinking import (before the gaskets go out again). I'm done paying it off in Oct and hopefully I can go payment-free for a year more or so and save up some money and then get a nice dependable Toyota or Honda (even though it kills me to think about that) and I do love the new GP so it will be hard to go import.

[99GrandAMSE]

... sorry to hear about your problem(s) bud, but. simply going to a 'foreign' car will not illiminate all your troubles despite what you may think or what those particular manufactuers will tell you ... all it does is to open you up to a whole new area of problems like paying too much for tiny cars (in my opinion) and the entire torque/horsepower superior feel of a domestic car (again, in my opinion) ... no matter what you drive brother, you'll end up with troubles and it has been my experience that ALL auto makers have similar amounts of problems; although, they most certainly will all be different in nature :)

[3 DeeJay]

Sorry to hear about your problems with your grand am. If you go with anything go with a honda. They are really nice cars and my grand ma has a 92 honda accord lx and its the best car. Gets great gas milage and runs great w/ 140,000 miles. My 89 beretta gtu has 180,000 miles and it doesn't currently run now cause its needing a new fuel filter and few other stuff. I'd saw go honda.. I would have if I didn't like the grand ams so much.

[1mean99grandam]

there is an after market head gasket that is supposed to fix that. look on gaupgrades.net or something. If a shop uses "dealer specific" gaskets, you will run into the same problem. as for the bearings - how's your driving? either your left was never put in properly and still hasn't been, or someone likes to hit holes and crap. Are you taking it to a dealer for all the work? same one perhaps? if so, take it to a mom and pops place - no offence to anyone, but dealers have quotas, times and other crap to make. as long as your car keeps screwing up, they get paid for it. mom and pops will normally fix you really good in hopes that if something else happens, you will come back because you're happy, not because you have to.

PS - I worked at a dealership

[2001GAGT]

I have to a conclusion that it does not matter WHAT kinda car you but it if the service dept that matters. Example. I know I guy how has A New Chevy Truck but he takes it to the GMC dealer for repair. Why? he like there service better. (Why he liek the new Chey look better is unknow YUCK )

SO that said I think it all depends on your AFTER sales support not the Brand. And like 1mean99gradam said the the dealers have quotes (I now this just aswell as him). So dealers are great for warrantty but you have to have a really GOOD one after.

[mtnagel]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
it has been my experience that ALL auto makers have similar amounts of problems; although, they most certainly will all be different in nature :) Sorry, Kelly, I have to disagree with this statement. My friend's have a Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Toyota Camry, and a Mercury Cougar and guess which cars have been in the shop the most for major repairs? My GA and the Cougar (all are 99+ except the Camry, which is a 95 and never has any problems). Come to think of it, the 99 Civic and 01 Corolla have never been into the shop except for body work.

I know that many people here don't think much of Consumer Reports (because they say GA's are unreliable and nobody wants to believe that they made a bad choice - just like if you ask someone if they got a good deal on their car, 99% will say yes because who wants to think they got screwed). Anyway, I think they are pretty fair and unbiased.

I have a copy of their 2002 Buying Guide. In it they list the most/least reliable used cars (data from model years 94-01). You can see a similar chart here (http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/usedpicks.html).

Out of the 41 cars that they call "Good Bets", only 5 are domestic cars (a miserable 12%).

Out of the 31 cars that they call "Reliability Risks", only 4 are imports (13%).

I understand that everyone is entitled to there own opinions, but I'm a scientist (chemist) and I have to base my conclusions on data (not feelings). If someone has data showing that domestics are as reliable or more reliable than imports, I would love to see it, but the data and my experience has shown me otherwise.

Just to let you know, I used to be a big "domestic-car" guy. My father used to work at an auto manufacturing plant before he got laid off (with only 1 days notice) after 30 something years there. We used to only have domestics, now my father actually drives an import. Don't get me wrong, I love the look, style, and power of my car, but it just isn't very reliable. It's getting to the point where I'm scared that it's going to have some other major issue and I don't want to take it on long trips anymore. Trust me, I wish that Detroit would wake up and make more reliable cars, but I don't see that happening any time soon. I sure hope I grow up a little when I buy my next car and don't only base my decision on how to spend 20 grand on mostly how a car looks.

[92CamaroRS]

CONSUMER REPORTS ARE IMPORT BIAS!!!!

they once said that the 3800 was not reliable
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every engine has its problems thats just the way it is.

[mtnagel]

Originally posted by GAguy
CONSUMER REPORTS ARE IMPORT BIAS!!!!

they once said that the 3800 was not reliable
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every engine has its problems thats just the way it is. Don't you think that if you owned an import and they said that imports weren't reliable, you'd then say "Domestic Bias". Just because they don't agree with the car you chose, doesn't mean they are biased (heck, they don't even have a single ad in the magazine so the ad money doesn't bias them). What incentive do they have to be biased towards imports? How does that help them? They have no reason to be biased.

[92CamaroRS]

right they have no reason. but they said teh new accord was stylish and they said the 2003 GA was sloppy in the corners.

[mtnagel]

Actually the Accord is one of the cars I'm considering (I like the styling) and if "sloppy in the corners" means it doesn't handle well, then I kind of agree. I guess it handles okay, but I feel like other cars can take corners faster.

[prescill]

It really seems that I am having alot of major breakdowns with this car and is not reliable. this year alone is.
1. Jan Egr valve part 370.00. total 430.00
2.febuary wheel bearing for the sixth time warrenty part 389.00
feb alternater part 379.00 total 450.00
3. march tire rod gone 300.00
4. April spring breaks DEALER ONLY PART 270.00 total 447.00
5.July wheel bearing again not covered right side this time part 399.00 total 513.00 Intake monifold 500 plus Still deciding.
We almost parked it last night and went to buy onther vehicle.Gm is no longer doing most of the work because I take it to a mechinic that I have know for at least 9 years plus also when my father stated going there 8 years before that. He his really been good to me such as letting me pay the bill over a month or two. Thats probly how I will get the car fixed by using my credit there. I could list all the repaires but I will do that latter as it will take me all night to do

[Vintalage]

Well, i'm not too happy with the problems that I have been getting with my 2002 Grand am GT1. First, turn signal/wiper column needed replacing due to it causing the turn signal/hazzard relay to keep clicking. -Common problem. Then, tires needed replacing because my right front tire and right rear tire were losing air and my right front tire was making a scraping/scrunching sound when the car was in motion. -Common problem and there is a TSB on it.

This is the last american car I will buy. I got rid of the alero thinking the grand am would give me less problems. Not so. I am very disappointed. The only vehicles I will consider in the future from GM are their SUVs. That's it. Other than that, i'm done with them. Imports are far more reliable...some.

[mtnagel]

Originally posted by buchajo
We talk about problems on this board to share knowledge wealth and problem solve. That does NOT mean that we all have problems with our GA though. Nod your heads everyone.


:agree: I agree that mostly people will complain when they have problems and rarely ever praise you when you do good (that's how life works in general), but what I'm talking about are probabilities. In general (yes, this is a very broad generalization) imports are less likely to have major issues than domestics. That's what I'm saying.

Yes, I understand that out of any make and model, you will have your share of cars that have no problems and those that have a ton a problems and those in the middles. It's a bell curve. The problem is that the domestic bell curve is skewed to the unreliable (more problems) side and the imports are skewed towards the more reliable (less problems) side.

So, yeah, I could buy an import tomorrow and the engine could fall out the next day, but the chances are greater that you will drive it longer with less problems than a domestic, from all the data I've heard anyway.

[Rayz]

Just as a rebuttal, I’m Knocking on wood as I’m writing this. My 94 GA has 120,000 miles on the clock and has never had any major service I had the evaporator replaced in 96 under warranty and replaced the alternator and water pump myself at 95,000 mi. my non Pontiac is a 99 Malibu with a 3.1 and 92,000 miles. I’ve replaced nothing on this car but the brakes & rotors. The 2000 GA again it has only 36,000 miles and has only needed basic maintenance. None of these cars have had any engine work or wheel bearings replaced. Now I know that I’m not an easy on a car if you look at the list of Pontiac’s below I know how to hammer a car. Is it the luck of the draw or just keeping up with basic maintenance?

[gpnomo]

I am sure we all have friend's or relatives that have put astronomical amounts of miles on certain cars, both imports and domestics. Conversely, we all know people who, spend more time with the service department than they do with family or friends.

With all [affordable] cars being mass produced, there will be flaws in that production. Hopefully , the manufacturer notices these production flaws and corrects them either in production or retrofits the earlier models.

To cite any magazine's test results is good if one plans on buying a thousand similarly equipped identical cars - then and only then do the percentages pan out.

[Gimli]

Originally posted by mtnagel
Yes, I understand that out of any make and model, you will have your share of cars that have no problems and those that have a ton a problems and those in the middles. It's a bell curve. The problem is that the domestic bell curve is skewed to the unreliable (more problems) side and the imports are skewed towards the more reliable (less problems) side.


I agree with you but there's something else to consider too.

When I bought my 2002 GAGT1 in Jan. 2002 I was also looking at a new 2001 Accord. For similarly equipped cars the Accord with the manuf. warranty (3yrs/36k miles) would've ended up costing me $8k more than the Grand Am with a 5 yrs/90k miles extended warranty. All because the car was $3k more expensive and GM gave me 0.9% financing (vs. 6.9% from Honda).

If I end up paying $8k in warranty deductible and non-covered repairs through 5 years I'll conclude I made a bad deal. 1.5 years in I'm VERY satisfied though and I don't expect that to change any time soon.

[Cmnky16]

I've had my car for over a year now. It has 116K miles. It is still running good. The only repairs i've done are brakes (it needed them when we bought it), alternator, fuel pump (ran out of gas and burned up the motor), tranny flush. My friend bought a Civic w/ 100k miles and blew a head gasket in the first month. My sister has and Eagle Talon. She had to replace the computer 3 times, sprung a leak in the radiator, and blew up the engine all in a 3 year period. It also has one of the worst oil leaks ever. Nobody would fix it w/o rebuilding it b/c it was deep in the engine. She went through a couple quarts a week. Her car was more than twice as much as mine and it's older. I consider my GA pretty reliable.

[prescill]

I should have know when I bought the car, after everything was signed they told me the power steering pump needed replacing. And ever since then The car was at the dealer every two weeks. You guys should see the folder of warrenty work I have. Ex Rotors and brakes gone at 24000km, seat rails broken ar 25000, window scatched at 25000, air condition broken at 26000, window noise at 29000 and molding. I could go on and on WHAT A PIECE OF S*IT:mad:

[prescill]

When I find all the paper work I will list it all

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by mtnagel
Sorry, Kelly, I have to disagree with this statement ...

No problems bud, you are free to disagree with me :) You and I are both basing our opinion on personal experiences which to be honest, is the only way we can do it right :D Anyway, I can probably state as many examples where domestic cars have lasted as long (or longer) than foreign ones or where foreign vehicles have been nothing but headaches and ended up being replaced by domestic having better performance and reliability :)

No matter, I know that I most likely (notice I did not say never) will ever have a foreign car simply because they do not impress me in either their style or performance ... remember, these are simply my opinions :D

[prescill]

I know all cars have problems but mine for some reason likes to eat money by the hundreds.:P

[prescill]

Is there other people out their having the same problems as I seem to have..Maybe its cause I have 178000 kms on the car now.:agree:

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by prescill
Is there other people out their having the same problems as I seem to have..Maybe its cause I have 178000 kms on the car now.:agree:

Well, mileage obviously will play a role in the problem but not all :( I have a comment/question but please take it the right way as I am slightly confused ... speaking soley of the multiple wheel bearing you have replaced, how come they were not being covered under warranty from the first being paid for? I mean ANY repair job should have some sort of warranty and if not the labour, then atleast the part itself is guarenteed for a certain length of time. Just curious bud :)

[prescill]

I;am not mad at anyone just gm,and not the car anymore, cause when went to pick it up this evening and seen the bill for the intake and wheel bearing I just laughed. Total cost 1036.00 just pocket change I told my mechanic. The intake monifold gasket repaire was acually cheaper than the wheel bearing. He only charged me 3.5hrs of labour instead of the 6 or 7

To grandamse question, it is kind of misleading of what I wrote. The wheel bearings have all been covered under warrenty (except for labour) except for the one I just put on which was out of the 1 year warr, plus the first two I put on after the factory ones let go. The right one has been done twice know while the left for some reason 5 times so far. I have about a month and a week to get it all paid off,so hopefully nothing will go wrong.

[VanishingImage]

im sorry to hear.....Some might disagree but i still belive every engine/car is made differently even though all cars are made on assembly lines,at one point or another theres a bad part. I've my car for over a year and its a used one,its got 65,000 miles on it and the only problem ive had,well not me the people b4 me had water pump problems but the place that we bought it from put a new one in when we bought it for free and there has not been a single problem with the car at all,so right there having one 97 having no problems and another having a lot(this is just for a example) of problems has to say something that theres a difference between one car to another in my opinion. I like hondas for the fact on their reliability,their quality,and gas milage. A normal honda isn't ricey,once again its the driver who makes it that way.

[master]

If you hop onto any Honda forum, it's also filled with people complaining about the crappy cars they have and say they will buy a Toyota next time.

And on Toyota forums, they b!tch and complain about their crappy cars and say they will buy a German car next.

And if you get onto a BMW forum, ..............................


You get my drift?

[BBT]

Here's my take on the domestic/foreign quality part of this discussion. And believe me, 'foreign' is getting to be a stretch with most popular model Honda & Toyotas being built here in North America.

This is all subjective from observation and discussion with people I know that own the discussed vehicles.

Short term, Honda/Toyota has a better incidence of repair. Meaning they are in shop less frequently, causing less warranty work. Why do you think their warranties are less than American cars?

As the miles and years begin to pile up though, they begin to need more and more frequent servicing. And this service and the parts are more expensive.

Further down the road, the domestics are still hanging around, but now the Honda/Toyotas are starting to drop off.

This is also changing though. Used to be you could see lots of 10+ year old domestics, and not the same number of Honda/Toyaotas. Evening up now as we move more and more into the crappy domestic FWD platforms.



:)

[sep2000GT]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
... sorry to hear about your problem(s) bud, but. simply going to a 'foreign' car will not illiminate all your troubles despite what you may think or what those particular manufactuers will tell you ... all it does is to open you up to a whole new area of problems like paying too much for tiny cars (in my opinion) and the entire torque/horsepower superior feel of a domestic car (again, in my opinion) ... no matter what you drive brother, you'll end up with troubles and it has been my experience that ALL auto makers have similar amounts of problems; although, they most certainly will all be different in nature :)

I have to agree with Kelly. My wife bought a Honda Certified 2001 Honda CRV which only had 9,000 miles on it. After 400 miles and her first oil change and we noticed oil leaking from underneath the vehicle. Thinking it was a bad oil filter or the drain plug not put on correctly we took it back to the lube shop. Come to find out, the oil pan gasket seal was leaking due to a manufacturing default.(YEP A HONDA MANUFACTURING DEFAULT:eek: ) So no matter what you buy import or domestic you may get a bad car. I bought my 2000 Pontiac Grand Am GT brand new and luckily so far I have had no problems whatsoever with my car and I have amost 60,000 miles. My friend has a 2001 Grand Am GT and he has already had to get his seals replaced due to a coolant leak. Maybe its a manufacturing default in the 2001 models?? Any way Sorry to hear about your car, good luck with your next one.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by master
If you hop onto any Honda forum, it's also filled with people complaining about the crappy cars they have and say they will buy a Toyota next time.

And on Toyota forums, they b!tch and complain about their crappy cars and say they will buy a German car next.

And if you get onto a BMW forum, ..............................


You get my drift?

... my point exactly!!!

[4kQuad]

My first car was a 66 chevy. I beat on that car, shoot I'm not sure what I might not have done to it. payed 300.00 drove it for 4 years and sold it for 400.00. Put less than 150.00 into it. And I drove the piss out of it. Miss it some times.

Next 68 Buick Specail....drove it for a couple years. I always wanted more power, but drove it till i sold it. I sold it for more than I payed also.

Next 63 VW Bug BAJA. Had the motor rebuilt. Total cost to drive it there and drive away. 300.00, don't remember any more money spent repairing it.

Next 1970 Valent slant 6. Water Pump, replaced harmonic balancer. sold for what I paied.

Next 78 Audi Fox. 3 years use 300.00 in repairs.

Next 72 Ford Van. starter only still drive it.

Next the 89 ga.
water pump,
cv-joint, replaced hole axcel
heater core, two times now,
Fuel Pump,
starter,
Hum...I'm forgetting a few now.
At this point it is the newest car I've owned and I've put more money in it than any other car I've owned.

As I do my own work the above was cost only No Labor, but it adds up. If I didn't love the Quad 4 motor in it......it would be gone.

I had a complete rebiuld done on the motor but that was my fault.
Cars don't like to run with no raditor cap. So I figure in total I have about 4000.00 into this car.

The back of my mind keeps yelling about getting another car, but I only have 20,000 on the new motor and have replaced Most of the common parts that go bad. so for now the little voice is just told to shut up. But I dought I will buy GM again.

My opion.........as long as GM and people in general still believe all cars brake down this often, they will continue to buy them. Why are people having to return NEW Cars for repair like front brakes componets, Head Gaskets. Dam these cars are less than 2 years old. I Don't care who made it....THAT'S NOT RIGHT. No that's the business Mind... they can sell repair contracts and extended contracts. Why because people are afraid of the bills if they don't.
again.......THAT'S NOT RIGHT. make it to last 5 years with out repairs.

When I was young things made in JAPAN was called Jap crap. It fell apart to fast compared to american made things. Then Japan started touring all the Big Major company's here. I remember both my parents talking about all the little Jap's running around taking notes. ( I should say I have No problem with japanese (sp) people, but WW2 memories still colored the way people my parents age talked about them) Any way they took home all there notes and built Better factories than we have. We showed them what we have... they saw how to improve on the ideas, and as they had not built there building yet, they could add the fixes that made it cheaper and better. So now Jap crap is becomming the perffered products in the American mind.

Few....fingers are tired now.

[prescill]

I just feel the intake manifold gasket should not be leaking at 60000 km even 150000km ,it just does not make cents.. I could see on a car 10 years old but one that is about 4-5 is not right.

[Spoonya]

Well my two cents is this:

Everything's a risk. You either land yourself a dud, or a really reliable car. Dosn't matter what the make or model.

True, if I had to switch cars one day, yeah, I'd still go Domestic, but for a GP GTP or similarly, a 3800 engine. My mom's '89 Bonneville is still going, and cost her about $5000 total after 14 years...... and ALL of that $5000 didn't start showing up till after it's 10th year.

Two of my cousin's drive a Civic and an Accord....... BOTH cars give them probs....... and they might like to cut up my "POS" all the time, but I'm also not paying double the price for imported parts.

IMHO, ALWAYS get the Extended Warranty - Ultimate Coverage. You can't go wrong. I've already used up about $2000 in extended warranty so far...... and thank god I didn't listen to everyone who said "wtf do you need an extended warranty for with a new car"

My car's been to the dealer at least every other month for work.... but I'm not gonna let that shit bring me down, or make me feel like I made a bad purchase. I knew when I bought the car it didn't have a good recommendation from Consumer Reports, but I was willing to take that risk.

[swordfencer]

I have to agree with Kelly too. I recently went to a Nissan Altima forum, and those people had just as much or more complaints about their cars as we do. My GF's VW has been nothing but a headache.

But I think also the main issue is customer service. The dealer I bring my car to has been absolutely great for me. My LIM gasket started leaking at 11k miles, replaced with no problem, a headlight started leaking, again no prob, they damaged a body panel when they put it up on the lift, they replaced it for free and paid for my rental car, replaced the windshield, replaced the fuse block, and did not charge me to check the alignment. My brakes and rotors are next. All this and the car only has 19k miles on it.

When you get crappy service, that is when you become really upset with your car. My GF's VW is a good example. The dealer service is awful!!!! I cannot stand the dealers at all, but they are the only ones that can get some of the parts. So in that respect, I would rather her get something from the dealer I go to just because the service is so much better.

Also the other thing, when I bought my GA, I knew what I was getting into because I joined the boards before I bought it to see what kind of problems I would encounter. Hence the reason why I bought the warranty. I also looked at Hondas, Toyotas, and Saturns and they have their fair share of common problems as well. No matter what you get, something will happen, it is just knowing what you are getting into and what you are willing to put up with after you buy it.

[mtnagel]

Originally posted by Spoonya
My car's been to the dealer at least every other month for work.... but I'm not gonna let that shit bring me down, or make me feel like I made a bad purchase. I knew when I bought the car it didn't have a good recommendation from Consumer Reports, but I was willing to take that risk. Is that acceptable to you?

To me it's not. I don't have enough time in the day let alone going into the slow-ass dealer every other month. What a waste of time. I buy a car to drive it not to watch it sit in the shop or drive a POS loaner.

Everyone said that about my GF's Kia (that even though it has a great warranty - 100,000 miles - that it would be in the shop all the time). Well, guess what, it's been in once for a kind of knocking noise and it was fixed without hassle. She's had it for almost 2 years and it has over 25,000 miles.

[swordfencer]

Originally posted by mtnagel
Is that acceptable to you?

To me it's not. I don't have enough time in the day let alone going into the slow-ass dealer every other month. What a waste of time. I buy a car to drive it not to watch it sit in the shop or drive a POS loaner.



Not to be mean, but why complain about it, trade it in and get something else that will satisfy you?

[mtnagel]

Well, because my car hasn't been in the shop every other month. And the fact that it won't be paid off until Oct. And I would like to be payment-free for a little while and save some money before I buy a new car within the next couple years.

So I will be getting rid of it, but I just need some more time.

[swordfencer]

Again, not to be mean, but since you are going to have to live with it for awhile, why not make the best of it? Complaining about it gets old after awhile, so have fun with it and laugh. Like I said before, the dealer service has a lot to do with your attitude. I am sure if you had a much better dealer service dept. you would not be complaing as much.

I have had problems with my car, and it only has 19k on it, but since my dealer has been really good to me, I do not mind. Yes it is kinda inconvenient to take time off from work to bring it in, but as long as I am satisified I do not mind.

And yes, I did think about getting rid of my car, but then I thought about it, I have a 6 year warranty, and most everything that can and most likely will go wrong has or may happen during that period. So by the end, I should have a car that runs pretty good because everything has been fixed.